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The Truth About Microdosing - Liam Donevan from Peak Human #280
This episode goes deep on how microdosing and peptides are changing the game for entrepreneurs, high performers, and anyone serious about nervous system regulation.
Liam Donovan runs two human optimisation businesses focused on psychedelics and peptides. In this chat, we break down how he went from corporate depression to fully alive — and how these tools helped him save his father from Parkinson’s burnout.
We talk business, burnout, biohacking, nervous system mastery, trauma, emotional regulation, and how men can actually feel good without selling their soul to Adderall, caffeine, or burnout culture.
If you’re an entrepreneur, introvert, or ambitious man — this is your blueprint for real high performance.
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•The best microdosing stack for flow + creativity
•Peptides that actually heal your gut + nervous system
•Why burnout happens and how to fix it without quitting
•What healing has to do with magnetic business success
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00:00 — Human Optimisation in 2025
01:00 — Liam’s Journey: Corporate to Microdosing
02:30 — LSD for Depression & Real Healing
05:00 — How Psychedelics Boost Creativity
06:45 — Business Clarity Through Microdosing
09:00 — Why Focus Peptides Work Better Than Modafinil
11:30 — Burnout Stories & Overstimulation Warnings
14:00 — Healing The Nervous System with Ketamine
17:00 — Microdosing Helped His Dad With Parkinson’s
20:00 — Big Pharma vs Real Healing
24:00 — HRV, Nervous System, and Entrepreneurship
27:00 — Parasympathetic Wins for Busy Men
30:00 — Best Peptides for Gut, Brain, and Mood
33:00 — Peptides vs Steroids & Synthetic vs Natural
36:00 — AI + Custom Health Optimisation
39:00 — What Most Men Get Wrong About Healing
43:00 — Self-Love, Leadership, and Magnetic Energy
47:00 — Why The Future of Health is Already Here
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The world is changing and healing is turning into human optimization, and the tools that we're using to try to get ahead in business and relationships and high performance just aren't cutting it the way that they used to. But now, with the research and the further development in technologies and science, today we're going to be talking about what the leading edge and front looks like in regards to psychedelics and peptides, and the man that we're speaking to today owns two businesses in peptides and human performance, with psychedelics and specifically microdosing, which is helping you to become the best version of yourself inside and out, especially with your mind and your mood and your nervous system. So today we can welcome today's guest, liam Donovan Bro. Talk to me about microdosing and its importance on the modern world.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, let's go. So I think I should just start off sharing what it's done for me and then what I believe or what I've seen it help in other people. So for me, five years ago, stuck in corporate just doing something that I wasn't necessarily passionate about, I found myself in a little bit of a depression rut. What were you doing in corporate? I was working as an investment manager for a private lending company, so it definitely served me. It was good for the time being, but I realized I was just kind of making rich people richer and I wasn't necessarily serving the greater good.
Speaker 2:And then I had a string of just kind of shitty life. I guess situations happen. I had my friend OD unfortunately he's on my wrist here today, brandon and then I had my dog pass away the same month. My father's Parkinson's symptoms was at an all time worse and that put me into just a pure state of depression that I've never felt before Just grief and depression, yeah, and just an ability to not be able to emotionally regulate.
Speaker 2:And then I came across a microdosing or sorry, an article on reddit that said microdosing lsd for depression, and I'm like fuck it, let's, let's give it a go. And I tried it the next day, I emptied the the CBD bottle, got the LSD tab in there and I started my microdosing journey and, honestly, within like the second attempt, it was like noticeably different. I felt different, where I could emotionally regulate again, I started getting my energy levels back and it felt like I was able to tap back into my inner child for the first time in years. Whoa, yes. And it really was this bridgeway for me into wellness, because then I kept it going and I was like, okay, what else?
Speaker 2:And then it got me into breathwork, got me into meditation, float therapy, and I had enhanced experiences when I microdosed. And I've tried those modalities before and I always thought to myself meditation isn't for me like a breath or whatever. But when I microdosed I was able to finally tap into that presence, that state of calmness, and someone like myself have a very, I would say, overactive brain, so go, go, go. So it is hard to drop in, naturally, but when I microdosed I was able to finally, and then it kept me coming back for more and then it just really inspired me to just go down the world of healing into acupuncture, into yoga, into all these amazing modalities, and I really believe that microdosing can act as a bridgeway into healing and into wellness for a lot of people.
Speaker 1:It's crazy because uh, what I think a lot of people don't understand is that healing is also optimization. It's the same shit. Yep, you do the same practices. You look after yourself the same way. Yeah, and it's like I feel like you just do like the practices of healing and you either. Those ketones are hectic. I'm like I am so zoned right now. I was like this is insane. I just noticed I was like whoa, let's go. So like noticing that it's like you just do these practices and it's just going to take you from one area to the other. But I find like a lot of people have so much resistance to doing this stuff. So like, what was that resistance like for you before you started getting into it?
Speaker 2:yeah. Um, I would say like do you mean on the microdosing, do you mean the healing, healing first. Yeah, because it was like the.
Speaker 1:You know, you used, I feel like, microdosing, yeah, you know, to enhance your healing experiences, because without it it's just like. You know, when you did, it was like I'm getting a lot out of this.
Speaker 2:I think the resistance really is just we, us humans. We believe we don't have time to do certain things like meditation or breath work or these healing practices. I don't have time. But once you realize, once you start going down that path, it starts to give you more time. Because when you know, let's say, I do a 30 minute breath work in the morning, that day I'm dialed, I'm not thinking about other shit, Nothing really bothers me. So like you're actually saving time and reframing, um, something like that I think is super important for people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy and I've noticed like, since knowing you for a couple of weeks, it was like I'm doing this thing going with this trick going on. I'm doing this thing here, I'm like microdosing for this experience. I've got this going on here and blah, blah, blah, blah, like, and all of that is like, how are you using it to optimize yourself? You know in business, in success, you know in your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it comes from mainly being able to tap into my inner child easier, and I find when I'm in that energy frequency of being joyful, dancing, laughing, I'm able to attract certain people, certain experiences into my life a lot easier. So that's definitely one of them. Another one I find is creativity, because it's creating new neural pathways in the brain. And I like to explain this to people Like, let's say, you've got a mountain and it gets like three feet of fresh powder. You snowboard right down the middle of the mountain, you go up right down that same path and you're engraving that path.
Speaker 2:And that's similar to a human brain because, especially if you're dealing with, let's say, say, a mental health condition depression, anxiety, ocd, something like that that path is really hard to get out of and 90% of the thoughts you had yesterday you're gonna have today and you're also gonna have tomorrow. But when you take a microdose and you go down that mountain again, you're able to go through a different pathway to get down to the bottom. So you, you can think about things differently, you can think about situations, you can think about your business in just a different frame, and then you can come to these realizations and something that I think is so powerful of psychedelics. What they've done for me is given me the ability to reframe something that from the outsider looks super sad, you know, such as my friend's overdose, my father's Parkinson's. But I'm now able to put that into a light and because of that I'm able to share, I'm able to help other people with neurologic diseases. So I think it's just like so fascinating to be able to reframe these negative situations in the light. Wow.
Speaker 1:So, on this as well, let's get. I want to know, because some people will be like, if they're listening to this before and they haven't heard about psychedelics, this is like their first time in terms of microdosing. We're specifically talking about psychedelics what psychedelics have you practiced microdosing with and how have the differences of them, like, what's the experience been and then what's the different impact that it's had?
Speaker 2:on you For sure. So the one that I microdosed today is called psilocybin, and another word for that is 4-ACO-DMT. That breaks down into your body into psilocin, just like psilocybin. So two separate compounds that do the same thing in the body.
Speaker 2:Psilocybin is magic mushrooms and that breaks down into Into psilocin, which is the active ingredient, okay, and then this compound as well. And I use this compound for two reasons it doesn't give me gut or nausea, and natural psilocybin for many people, especially if you have gut issues, is tough to break down the plant matter. And then also the consistency for microdosing is a little bit better and I found this one to really improve my presence. So when I'm in a room such as this, like I'm fucking here, I'm here, here, and then I also find in social scenarios I'm quicker on my feet in conversations, I'm a little bit more joyful, a little bit happier. So I take that one for something like this or for social events. I find I take them more towards thursday, friday, saturday or sunday because I'm more social, um, those days.
Speaker 2:And then the other compound that I've been microdosing for about five years is called 1p lsd and there's one molecule that's bonded onto the lsd structure. Normal lsd that people think of is called lsd 25, but this one is specifically good for focus and concentration, like dialing in for 8 to 12 hours. What does it feel like? 8 to 12 hours, bro? It's, it's unbelievable, it's like it was life-changing, like. Once I started taking that in my corporate job. I saw my my like able to climb the ladder because of this compound.
Speaker 1:So what's like the difference between that versus something like modafinil yeah, modafinilinil, you know there could be.
Speaker 2:There are similarities. I just find like, at least for me, my body, my DNA, like the psychedelic, it just it's a difference. It's creativity, yeah, the creativity that, just like the focus, the less modafinil would be, more like, I would say, more stimulation, a little bit more of like a come down when you come off it. That's why I love microdosing is there's a zero come down after you just had like a high output day, which is really lovely. So the 1-PLSD focus concentration usually I take it Monday and Wednesday and then the 4-ACO-DMT or the psilocybin, which are interchangeable. I use that more for Thursday to Sunday and you know conversations like this. Can you take them every day? So you don't want to take it every day, you want to. You want to take it on a schedule and there's many different schedules out there.
Speaker 2:I've tried all of them and the important part is just to make sure to take two days during a seven day period off. It's not from like a health risk per se, it's more from utilizing them, I guess, to the extent that they can be utilized as in, if you take it seven straight days, that seventh day you're just not going to be getting the best bang for your buck. So I've found every other day to work really really lovely for me and my system and each person's lifestyle is different. So I always encourage people start off every other day to work really, really lovely for me and my system and each person's lifestyle is different. So I always encourage people start off every other day or once every third day, which is the Fadiman protocol which we actually built our products upon. That's a good starting point for first time users. But and then try the different. Try the different protocols.
Speaker 1:So what's like? What would you say for your main product and your main protocol? What does that look like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they are built on the Fadiman protocol because when I first went into this, it was very apparent that that's very simple once every third day and for first time users, they're not going to be spending that much money to do it for a month. So once every third day you get 10 capsules in your package. Same thing with the LSD product you have 10 doses.
Speaker 1:It comes in a water solution and yeah once every third day for a month, nice and for you. So when you started taking like these protocols, what started happening to your life? Like what magic moments the people that you met, deals that you started making Because like this is really cool in terms of a business and you're talking, because it's also like it's a little bit controversial, it's a little bit it's a little bit sexy, yeah, yeah, plus, with you know, legalities and stuff, you've had to like move things around because place some places so legal, other places, yeah, not legal, yeah. So it's like you know this whole. There's complexity in there. So when you started taking it, how's it benefited you just navigating all of that and like connecting as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think just like it brings joy back in my life and just coming at business in that frame is so important, because I went for years in the corporate life where I didn't really enjoy what I was doing and I didn't come at it from like this joyful kind of aspect and I think just from like what I spoke about before, just attracting the right people and the right things into your experience as well as business and just being able to sit there and think about things differently, because before it was go, go, go, 12 hour days, like I was working 70, 80 hour weeks but realizing that's actually not ideal and the quality of your work now compared to the quantity is so much more important. So I think that's a couple of things that I think is very important.
Speaker 1:So do you ever, did you find yourself ever going through like, any sort of like burnout or anything beforehand? For sure Can you tell us a story of like? Have you got any stories where you were like, oh, I was doing this back then and I just burnt the hell out? Yeah, I'm doing this now and I'm oh gee, baby.
Speaker 2:yeah, uh, for sure. So I burnt myself out two times, um one. I specifically remember it just being like I remember going to the grocery store and being so burnt out that I like I didn't get out of my car and I went home and I ordered groceries. Like that, burnt out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what does that feel like man? Terrible man? So it was. I took on too many businesses at once and I was just trying to do too many things. I was working on building out like a human optimization center, like raising funds for that, and then NeuroDose as well, and just realizing that, like you, only have a certain level of capacity and I was using too many stimulants. I would say back then I was using ketamine a little bit more than I should have been and it's just like on this like because I would use it when I get tired to remove me feeling tired and that's just like a bad, bad path. So now I, how bad did it?
Speaker 1:get. I want to know this. I want to know the juice dude yeah, because there's people out there that you know are doing this with caffeine, yeah, on it with nicotine, doing it with smoking, doing it with alcohol, so like what? What was that?
Speaker 2:like peak yeah, pretty dude, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad at one point where I basically felt like I needed that substance to operate, even in like a business sense. So, getting to that point, I've had addiction tendencies in my life. University was Xanax actually just to like calm the nervous system, and that's actually something that psychedelics has really helped with is addiction tendencies.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I just got to a point, man, where I was like I just like I can't keep tricking my body and brain and I've got to rest and that's something I have struggled with most of my life is just resting, just fucking chilling out. So things like float therapy, acupuncture, massage, these are like pure medicines for me and I basically just force myself to do these things each week so that, for instance, a float tank I'm in there for an hour, no sensory inputs, nothing, and just really really dialing rest and parasympathetic activities into your normal week. I think is so, so important, especially if someone's prone to burnout or addiction, because at the end of the day, all I want to do is just keep working because I really love what I do. But when you love what you do, you have to really be diligent of blocking off time to actually not do anything. I think that's just so important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and otherwise most of the time you're operating, which you don't realize, from a sense of I'm just working to get a high. Right now, I'm trying to just get a fix because I need to fix something in business or fix something else, which is crazy. Did you find that for you, a lot of your motivation come from wanting to help your dad?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, for sure I think they're subconsciously. One of the main reasons why I'm really into health optimization is just seeing my father's Parkinson's. You know he's an absolute stud, athletic guy, very social. You know he was like a god to me growing up and then to see him unfortunately his body deteriorate from this disease, it's great. Yeah, definitely one of the most challenging things I've gone through in my life. And then just thinking subconsciously and consciously like I don't ever want to put or my kids to have to go through that. So I'm going to do everything in my power to dial in my health. So, yes, definitely one of the main drivers.
Speaker 2:And then to think about all the people that have a neurologic disease that don't know you can use psychedelics to really help. And microdosing for my dad actually was a really big game changer for him. Where his tremor was reduced, his walking got better. Big game changer for him. Where his tremor was reduced, his walking got better. He got some joy back in his life and once I saw that I was like holy shit, like this is this is this is medicine because how long did he have parkinson's before he tried microdosing?
Speaker 1:uh, probably like 10 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no growth yeah, just unfortunately not. There was one thing we did, deep brain stimulation surgery, where it's pretty wild. They put a rod, metal rod, in his brain and he charges up, kind of like Iron man, every three days and essentially it sends signals to help with dopamine.
Speaker 1:That's just not a way to live, though, right no?
Speaker 2:no, exactly. And then to see what the microdose did compared to like 30 pharmaceuticals that he's taking for this disease, it's mind-blowing. I used to play a game with my mom where I'd be like he microdosed or he didn't microdose at lunchtime and I haven't been wrong. So it's like so apparent for his disease when he microdoses and when he doesn't, just a little bit of mushrooms, which is pretty wild, wow, yeah. And then ketamine therapy for him was an absolute game changer. He went in and got got accepted to the first trial in canada for parkinson's and ketamine therapy and he walked out of there like a new person. Like it was like with less tremors and stuff. Yeah man, like he has all any depression completely wiped away. Tremor was way better. He was like strutting out of the hospital.
Speaker 2:I'm like what the fuck this is like dad's back baby let's go and like I felt like I got like a lot of my dad back that day. So that for me was the moment of realizing I'm supposed to do something with psychedelics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can see, like you know, how passionate you are about it. It's wild, like.
Speaker 2:Everywhere you go, you're like there's just like and like, of course, like it makes, it makes so much sense, man, yeah, like yeah, when you see it with your own eyes and then it's helping a family member as well as your own life, and then to think also, how many people have parkinson's, ms, all these different diseases that don't know anything about, psychedelics, because of the unjust laws here in North America and, quite frankly, the world, which is pretty sad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is crazy. I think that that has seemed like there is quite a few places that are opening up. I'm pretty sure even Australia is doing legalizing something through hospitals and you can go like clinically, but it's not shown anywhere. Like you don't know this exactly unless you're like in it, in some you have to be experiencing the most traumatic event ever. Then the psychologist one of the random ones if you're lucky enough will be like oh, there's this therapy.
Speaker 2:You got it, man, even to get like psilocybin access in canada. It's like you have to be on your deathbed and they choose like I think it was like 55 people to do that, and it's like it's just insane to get this kind of medicine. And then we're handing out fucking adderall vivant xanax to like 13 year olds.
Speaker 1:All right, tell me the difference, because that that is crazy, it's insane, what the hell. So tell me the difference. What happens in the brain when you're doing something like xanax or like a Ritalin or something like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then what's the difference between that and like psilocybin and psychedelics, and what neuroplasticity even is and what it does?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the main way I like to describe this is like Adderall, Vyvanse, Xanax, Like it's all working on certain things in your brain, your body, but it's so foreign your body has no fucking clue what to do with these things and I've seen in terms of everything I've looked at and what also in my life. It really fucks up your gut, microbiome, a lot of these drugs and they're incredibly addicting. Like it is very hard to get off like Adderall If you've been on Adderall for like a year or two like absolutely insane. And then also SSRIs, which a lot of people are handed out to. What are SSRIs? Yeah, selective serotonin reuptake.
Speaker 2:Is that like opioid stuff. It's given not an opioid, but it's given to you when you're depressed. They're supposed to be used from like a six week to a 12 week period. Afterwards your serotonin levels go back to where they were. And it's so sad because I take consults with people and they've been on an SSRI for eight years and like to think about the fucking doctor who just thinks maybe the ninth year is going to fix them with this SSRI and it's like it's really damaging this SRI and it's like it's really damaging to these people. So it's like just really sad to see.
Speaker 2:And then you've got something like psilocybin, lsd, where that's actually creating new neuroplasticity in order to like help the depression. So these other drugs aren't getting to the root cause. They're just kind of numbing you. Lsd, psilocybinbin, psychedelics they're actually making you feel things and the ability to learn new ways of thinking. From a psychedelic standpoint. It's it's not even close like. These ones are just like you're numbing. You're numbing the human, you're numbing. These ones are like feel more. So that's like the main differences.
Speaker 1:Dude, it's crazy how, especially in terms of like environments and locations where you go to like you just have access to different things. Yes, like I got to Austin and I had like experienced some pretty like traumatic news like not too long ago and I was like thank you, bro. And I had like I was like, oh, my nervous system is like I. My nervous system is like I'm trying to lift in the gym and I'm like I'm lifting as what I normally do, but I'm getting like three reps and I'm just like pushing as hard as I can. I'm like there's no juice in my body right now. So I tried Blue Lotus, yeah, and I had like triple the dose.
Speaker 1:I just like to double triple things If anything it says serve one, I'll take three, I'll do the rest right and do my whole body Like usually it's like, oh, you'll feel a little bit tired and then have sort of like a slight euphoric experience. Yeah, I just passed out. Really, I was just like conked. I was just like like straight to sleep. Okay, I was like what the hell is going on here, have you?
Speaker 2:ever. You know what? I've tried it one time. It was the other night and, to be fair, it was after a rufus concert, so you went to sleep, I went to sleep, so I don't have much experience to be able to speak on it, but uh, I've heard some good things yeah, it's just like I'm just.
Speaker 1:It just fascinates me how much you know is everywhere and if everyone is listening, like we're in austin at the moment, where, like, ketamine therapy is real, you know and it's not. It's not justice, as I think like it's all health optimization in general come from. Healing is all just not only repropriate pre-gramming your brain, but like your nervous system, how does it?
Speaker 2:how does it do that? Oh yeah, I want to speak to that because I just did um a retreat last weekend that had a deep, deep journey, um, which is unbelievable it was Psychedelic journey yeah, psychedelic journey where we did sassafras, which is very similar to like MDMA it helps crack open your heart. And then we did psilocybin and like a microdose of Aya, which was pretty mind blowing. What's a microdose of Aya? Like it was pretty magical dude it was. Yeah, it's just a beautiful experience. Like these things are medicines and I'm always so amazed because I track everything with my whoop, all my health data and man, my HRV. This week, just like, I've got five straight green recoveries and the highest.
Speaker 2:My HRV has been in months.
Speaker 1:So for people who don't know, what hrv is it basically tells you your just like nervous system score exactly hectic dude. Yeah, can you show, show the you're like since retreat, let's look at this. Hold it up at your face, I think oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like not only am I mentally like feel really fucking good this week, but my physical fucking body is showing that my nervous system is more synchronized and I'm more, I'm spending more time in my parasympathetic, rest and digest state and my natural is and I would say many humans natural is fight or flight, like go, go, go sympathetic, and the more time I'm able to spend in gratitude, rest and recovery, float, whatever that may be, the higher my HRV is going to be, because your nervous systems are finally synced.
Speaker 1:All right. So for the person who is, you know, working hard grinding, they're a business owner or they're wanting to, like, make something out of their life you know their life. They've got motivation and drive. How does knowing this about your nervous system help and support you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so, so important because it goes back to the quantity and quality thing. When my nervous system is aligned and synchronized, I can tune into my intuition way way better and you can start to almost skip some steps in like businesses and connect some dots that you wouldn't be able to if you're in this fight or flight all the time, because that's like go, go, go. And it's super important. You need your sympathetic nervous system working as well, but we no longer get like chased by lions and like animals and like are at least this day and age. We're fortunate enough to be here like. Our lives aren't at risk, so we don't need to be using that sympathetic nervous system so often. And it's good sometimes when you want to really get shit done. But, man, when you're in that parasympathetic like, life becomes what's the word? I would say just, it's a better human experience, you know, because you're you're just in the state of like receiving, rather than like go, go, go. I'm gonna break down that fucking door, you know get it done.
Speaker 1:it's so funny for men who are go as well, right, it's basically like you have fun when you're going, like sometimes there's nothing better. How good is having, like let's go. Three shots of caffeine, dude, I'm dialed up today.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know, like it's fun and it's like one thing that's really good is like you can go okay. So if I like this maintenance of stimulation like this is great, Like this maintenance of stimulation Like this is great, but this is not sustainable, right, yeah, With the tools and regulating your nervous system, you can make it pretty much sustainable. Yes, but you have to be paying respect to your nervous system.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:You will run into that burnout Like it's just Because people are just dancing on the edge, right, they're just taken. How do you find-. What do you find with your clients is like the most thing. That's just like ripping them of, like energy.
Speaker 2:I think just too much stimulation of could be Adderall, could be Vyvanse, could be coffee, Like caffeine, like it blunts your effect to be able to feel that you're tired. And I fucking love caffeine Look, I had espresso this morning. Another thing here is still like it's good in its time and its place. But a good practice that everyone should maybe give a try is like Sundays for me I take zero supplements and zero stimulation, no caffeine, and just giving your body at least that day during a week to just kind of recover, get more into your parasympathetic is just a good practice that I've found very, very helpful.
Speaker 1:Wow. And what about people who are like, okay, psychedelics sounds good, but I'm not there yet. But I'd like to try some other stuff instead to regulate my nervous system, because, you know, I want to be a high performer, I want to perform better. You know, there's people that I got to look after.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Peptides.
Speaker 2:Tell me about yeah, yeah, yeah, p yeah, peptides are. They're so fascinating that is the next frontier of health. Like 100 of doubt. I've never been so certain in something how um, because they're so essentially peptides. I'll explain for the people that don't know. It's a string of amino acids and if the string is from 0 to 49 it's considered a peptide and 50 and above it's considered a protein. What If it's 50 and above? It's considered a protein?
Speaker 1:What is a string? I know this doesn't mean much. Okay, it's considered a protein.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, cellular level stuff, yes, yes, yes, I know that doesn't mean much for many people, but you can think of it as protein sending signals to your cells. That's what they do. They're little messengers. Our natural peptides in our body they reduce efficiency. So we have 7,000 naturally produced peptides in our body that are working all right now as we speak with, for neuroplasticity, for digestion, for muscle synthesis, and when you take additional peptides, it's basically just nudging your body in the right direction on the processes that God created us to have already. So that's why it's so fascinating. When you think about.
Speaker 2:I'm not against testosterone whatsoever, but I like to just give this analogy so people understand. So testosterone you take testosterone, it's going to shut down your natural processes. You take peptides, it's actually going to help your natural processes just produce more testosterone or whatever that may be. So one peptide that has been a game changer for me is BPC-157. That's the one that I just handed over to you there. It stands for body protective compound. That's naturally found in your gut, and when you take additional BPC-157, it heals your gut. So if someone's out there that has IBS Crohn's just inflammation in your gut and when you take additional bpc 157, it heals your gut. So if someone's out there that has ibs crones, just inflammation in their gut, and I would say 95 of humans at least do, and they and you just get used to that inflammation, think that's normal. It's not. What does it look?
Speaker 1:like.
Speaker 2:That's like if you ate something, it bloated a little bloated, a little gassy and, yeah, I used to have like pain in my gut. I used to have really fucked up gut, gut issues, and that was the first thing that I had noticeable changes within a week of taking it, and that's why I'm very passionate about that one specifically. And then there's other peptides. Oh, one other thing to note on that. So not, it's not just for people with gut issues, it's for people athletes to note on that. So it's not just for people with gut issues, it's for people athletes who want to recover quicker, because it's improving blood flow and overall, what BPC-157 is doing, it's reducing inflammation in your body and your brain. So us humans, in this day and age, we're walking around taking in a lot of shit. Taking something that reduces inflammation in your body and your brain is, in my mind, like the healthiest thing you can do well, I just think of stress and trauma and environments.
Speaker 1:It's like if you've had something that's happened to you or you've had like a bad relationship, business breakup, like your childhood wasn't like everyone's childhood in some way shape or form, we've all got like messed up a little bit there. Yeah, I mean like no one's perfect, but we always create our perception of the world and certain things like really trigger us and if we let it get to us and we don't work through and heal it, it's like this, also cellular level, helps with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because if we're getting stressed from somewhere and this is helping with stress, it's like yeah, yeah, duh yeah, yeah, it's like I'm going all into that specific product and that's where 95 of my time is for peak human, because I haven't seen a compound with so many value propositions for people. And it's a capsule, so a lot of people aren't quite there from injectable standpoint and a lot of peptides. In order to be bioavailable, you need to to inject, except BPC-157. You don't, because it's naturally found in your gut and your gut knows what to do with it. Wow.
Speaker 1:That makes so much sense. So what's like frontier of the peptide world at the moment, Like what is what's coming out, what's leading, what's the future? Look like, you know, with peptide Dude it's so I'll speak to a couple of different compounds.
Speaker 2:Some of my favorites I took Dude it's. So I'll speak to a couple of different compounds, some of my favorites I took. I injected myself this morning with CJC 1295 and ipamoralin and that helps energy levels, it helps you sleep better, it helps put on muscle and strength and these things like they really fucking work. Like within three days I noticed I'm stronger at the gym. So that's great if you're looking for like kind of the athletic side of things. And then the other ones that I really really love are c-max and c-lanc, and it's a nasal spray and these ones are working on your cognition, your focus level, which I fucking love how I'm assuming gets like membranes and yeah, nasal somehow and into your brain quick like, what's got it so through your, through your nose.
Speaker 2:It's the quickest way right into your brain, obviously, and it is just it's working on. It's improving your bdnf, your blood, uh, what's it? Blood, the nootropic factor, and it's essentially helping with your blood flow in your brain so you can just, you can think better, you could articulate a bit better. It's like it fucking works. It's. It's really really special and are these like?
Speaker 1:are these like plant compounds? Like? What is it they are?
Speaker 2:they are synthetic. They aren't synthetic, but how do I put this? I'm I love nature. I'm all for natural things. However, us humans are really fucking smart when it comes to synthesizing things, and I actually prefer synthetic psychedelics over natural, for the reasons that no gut issues. The consistency is better. So I think we're going towards more synthetics, and what you can do with synthetics is like more synthetics. And what you can do with synthetics is like now we're going to be starting to take our dna and our genes and building peptides based on our specific genes. So that's already happened, happening bro yeah, yeah, tell me more yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 2:I wish I was like more, more knowledgeable on that specific thing. But I was speaking to a gentleman at the conference actually that we were at a couple weekends ago and I'm just like it blows me away what they're doing and that's like 20K right now, but I'm like fuck man that would be a cool investment To go to someone and get all your DNA tested and then they just build peptides Based on that Whoa.
Speaker 2:I've already got the dna test done, blood analysis, all these different things, but to use ai then to build specific peptide compounds for like that what does that mean for humans?
Speaker 1:what do you think? What does that mean for us in business and relationships and health? What does does it mean, Dude? I'm just fucking excited.
Speaker 2:You know, like I, we, I feel, like both of us already feel pretty fucking good on a day to day.
Speaker 1:We do the things we feel great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to think about also having that to fill in any deficiencies, man, it's mind blowing. There's peptides that improve your telomere length, which is one of the things that you measure for your biological age. There's peptides to make you more tan. Peptides make you think better. There's peptides to help with depression, with anxiety. And then we're just starting out with AI and we're about to like we are in, I would say, the best time in human existence. Hands hands down, especially if you're into human optimization because, for instance, like I built a chat gpt yesterday, my human optimization guru, with blood analysis, my dna, my gene keys, my six years worth of whoop data, and now I get to fucking ask this thing anything and it's going to know me way better than any professional out there.
Speaker 1:Like it's not even close because it has all this information and it's just getting started it's just crazy man on this come up is like there are people who are going to use these tools and take advantage of this and there's gonna be people that are going to be resistant to us. Yeah, what's what's the difference between, let's say, average like run of the mill just works a job? Yeah, like, is that average right is, yeah, what's a job smash 95, yeah yeah, right versus someone who takes this seriously. Yeah it's.
Speaker 2:I truly believe that we will at least live till we're 200 well, one and it. For me, it's not about the length of time that I'm gonna live, it's about the quality, and you improve your quality of life using these things. You're gonna have a fucking better life each day and you're gonna live longer. It's just like. To me, it's a no fucking brainer. Like don't be a schmuck. Don't like put your health to the side and think like I'm gonna figure it out later. Like focus on it right now, because we're in this day and age where we we are going to be slowing down aging.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it's just like Don't be that person that sees everyone else and then goes shit. I wish I missed out on that opportunity because they were brought into an old paradigm.
Speaker 2:Yes, and something on that is I know this conversation speaks about like pretty, like, let's say, forward thinking things. You don't need to start there. Start with focusing on your sleep, start with getting nature every day, start with getting in the sun. When you wake up, hit the main rocks and then think about peptides, psychedelics. Can these products help you get out of that mindset and into that realm? Yes, but there are things that are free, that they can start focusing on, and I never want to be that person. To be like this is going to fix your life. It helped fix my life but it's a tool and a tool belt. All these are tools, and certain tools are going to work better for certain people, and some other tools are going to work better for other people, and some other tools are going to work better for other people. So I just want people to keep that in mind as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, why go into a sunbed and cook yourself when you can just walk out into the sun for like 10 minutes?
Speaker 2:I don't get it. I see people doing cardio inside. It's a beautiful sunny day. What are you doing? Go outside.
Speaker 1:Get in the sun, guys, come on. It's just what are you doing? Go outside, go get in the sun, guys, come on. Just come on, dude, it's crazy. What? Um? What I do want to speak to, though, is what is? What are the like the dangers, what are the stuff the dangers? Because there's also like the risk of like okay for people who don't know and don't understand, like if I'm speaking to Australian culture and they're like cool, we're taking all the psychedelics, all the ketamine completely for recreational. Don't give a shit about any of the consequences, whatever, I'm just out here to just have fun and like let loose. I remember like the first time I ever had mushrooms was in Amsterdam, and I was like I'm not supposed to be out and about while I'm taking this.
Speaker 2:I need to go back to my room and think about my life right, um, but in like to general for people, especially with what we're like what, what are the, the dangers, peptides I think the psychedelics yeah, the risks with the psychedelic piece, which I've seen in my own life a little bit as well as some other people, is you can start living in the spiritual world too much rather than this physical world. Right, and I think figuring out how to live in both synchronize is the goal. But if you go too far down one path, it can lead to just like maybe you're not working as hard, you're not spending as much time, yeah, on your business, something like that. And the good thing about many psychedelics like psilocybin, lsd, like these things aren't addicting. Like you do an lsd, like a full dose, like properly, the last thing you want to do the next day is go rip it. You know what I mean, like you know.
Speaker 2:So I think, just being very conscious of how often are you doing deep dives, and for me, anywhere from a deep dive every month to three months, and I do like a really intentional, deep, deep dive with acupuncture, massage, dmt, ketamine and psilocybin, and that for me is like with a with a practitioner, like I'm going in and I I prepared for this for a week and just really going in, with being intentional about what am I doing this for? And then the great thing about the microdosing aspect is this is something where you can tap into this like spirituality, into kind of these new realms, but like you're not getting high and you're just like noticing small enhancements throughout your life. So just a word of caution, like don't be doing massive trips every day, Like don't don't be silly, um, and just being especially on like the microdosing front, doing the protocols and sticking to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's actually go, you know, go get a coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got it. You got it. And if you're doing deep dives, go with practitioner or someone who has a lot of experience with it, and that's something that I love to take people through psychedelic journeys, whether or not it's dmt, whether or not it's lsd, and that I feel like is one of my, my callings, that I'm really going to start nurturing um the next few years.
Speaker 1:coach slash shaman yeah, it is very shamanistic, um, all of it, and I feel like it brings this reverence to it, because I remember I had an ex-partner and myself we like try to plan this day and things weren't working out. Yeah, and we're going to try lsd because we wanted to like go through everything that the medicine would teach us and like it just didn't work for the longest time. So we're like we've got mushrooms've got mushrooms, let's take those as well. Yeah, took them as well. Worst idea ever.
Speaker 1:I was like why didn't anyone tell me this? We just sat on the couch just holding hands, trying not to fall off the edge of the universe, just looking at each other. Like your face is looking back at me in a way that I've never seen a thousand eyes look at me before. Yeah, back at me in a way that I've never seen a thousand eyes look at me before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it can happen. It can happen, dude, it's crazy, but that's also like a pretty decent, like you know, one month to three months of like locking in and diving in. Yeah, it's like what are you getting out of it now? Like you've gone through healing, because I'm actually going to ask you. I'm like I need to do some healing. Where do I go in austin? I need to find a practitioner. Yeah, I need to do a deep dive like yeah, yeah, but like, what is the effects on you when, like, you go for healing and then it stops being optimization and what are you getting out of it?
Speaker 2:yeah, so, even like. I'll just take you through my most recent experience where um showed it to anna nazari. She put on like this retreat, unbelievable, gave me like a a new, just a new bar with how these retreats should be, should be ran, and for me, my intention going into that specific one was more self-love. Um, I, I'm very hard on myself. I've got an inner critic. Um that drives me just like, and if I'm not up to that bar and not like having like perfect days, really it's like, come on, man, like what the fuck? Like you? You know that you know better and I'm really trying to work on the self-love aspect right now in my life.
Speaker 1:Why what made you? Because I'm just like really curious on this, yeah, like for myself and also like the men out there, yeah, who have, you know, inner critics and wanting to work on it and there's a lot of guys who I know in my audience, you know, and for me personally, there was moments where I'm like, why the fuck would I want to do self-love. Like you know, the common theme is, like, you know, that's like oh, that's gay, like doing self-love, right, that's what people say, yeah, and it's like, you know, for me, I was always like oh, self-love is like I need that shit so like, well, one to soothe your own nervous system, I would say Two, in order to love others.
Speaker 2:So, so well, you have to have that certain level of love for yourself. If you don't love yourself, you're not. You know, let's say it's a woman or a man, whatever, you're not going to be able to love them, I guess, at a capacity that you want to, until you're loving yourself that way. So that's kind of how I'm seeing it, where if I improve my self-love with myself, I'll be able to love you, I'll be able to love a woman better, I'll be able to love my friends better, and I think that's each person's duty as a human to create that self-love. And I think it's pretty like apparent, the people that practice that, and I feel like they're very magnetic because they're more joyful, they're more a little bit, they're just a little bit happier, more graceful on themselves, right, and I think what it does as well is like you don't sit in the soup that much, you know, like when you do something stupid, let's just say like, sure, it's important to maybe you did something that you shouldn't have done, important to look back, be like, okay, this is what I should do differently, boom, boom, this is what I'm going to do next time. But then drop it. Don, boom, boom, this is what I'm going to do next time, but then drop it. Don't fucking sit with this shit.
Speaker 2:And I think the, at least for me in my life, what I've noticed is like the more healing I've done, the less time it takes for me to just drop things in my brain and like not worry about it and to improve your human experience.
Speaker 2:Like, fuck man, something that used to upset me for could be days, it could be like five seconds now, like I went, for instance, like man, something that used to upset me for it could be days, it could be like five seconds now. Like I went, for instance, like last week, I have a buddy, it's a truck and he's in Australia for a month and I come out it's towed and I'm like, oh fuck, you know, that sucks Not a big deal. Move on, phone the person and she's like, yeah, you can't get the truck back until they come back and it's going to cost like basically $1,100. And I'm just like that sucks, but it's all good, I'll figure it out, you know. But like three years ago I'd be fucking screaming at this girl and yo give me the fucking car. So I think, just like those little things where, like you're just calming your nervous system and having that, I guess, belief that you'll just always figure it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also like put myself in the position of like okay, let's say I'm a man and it's like, you know, I'm feeling a little bit lost or stuck in life and I'm questioning my purpose. I'm questioning everything that I'm doing, yeah, and I'm putting myself in the position of like, okay, super high performer, you know I I've got a relationship, I'm trying to balance everything and provide for the family, because that's what I need to do, so I'm not going to probably stock some. It's like, just imagine for the guy who's a little bit purposeless and for the high performer when their nervous systems are regulated. It's like the decisions that you're making in that situation Well, not in that specific situation, but decisions that you're making in general are just always going to be a path to freedom, fulfillment, space, capacity and love, versus don't go to this, go to this, go to this. Look back 20 years gone by and you're like I hate that shit.
Speaker 2:And it's just about framing situations where I sat there for a bit and I was just like you know what. I phoned this girl two times. She's like there's no fucking way you're getting your car back and like without the person and I I sat with it for a bit. I was like I'm gonna go there in person tomorrow, I'm gonna get this car back, and like I sat while I was driving. I sat there just thinking like how good it's gonna feel driving back with this truck. So I was in an uber on the way there and just like having that like frame of mind, like now I got this, I'm gonna get this try like no matter what, you know, compliment the girl or tattoo, little smile. You know it's just like life starts to get better, like your human experience gets a lot better when you start to have those frames and it's like that's what a good story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to tell as well like it's just so different compared to oh, fuck man, no, no, no, no, no no, no, and you can get into that scarcity mindset as well.
Speaker 2:We're like you know, fuck. This is like brutal. What am I going to do? I don't have a truck anymore. My friend's going to come back. Absolutely pissed, been impounded for a month all this stuff.
Speaker 1:So you're telling me the secret to stop scarcity mindset and abundance is psychedelics mindset. Yeah, and abundance is psychedelics. You got it. Peptides, yeah, looking after yourself, health and wellness, so that your nervous system has hrv scores like yours, and you're pretty much all g, all g. Why is the world so complex, bro?
Speaker 2:it's, it's, it's simple, it's simple. I'm telling you it's actually pretty simple. Me and jordan do it. Can't live. We joke about all the time. We're like fuck. It's actually pretty simple. If you break down like that, you know each day, move your body, get some sun, chat with some mates, have some good food and like life's pretty good, yeah I also find like using stuff, like leaving this drink here, just like you know there's a drink here and it's got.
Speaker 1:Like what is it? Elderflower lines main. I've got a little thc hemp extract. That's probably. Why does that actually got thc in it?
Speaker 2:oh dude, no wonder I've got a full business meeting after this with my whole team dude, I literally that is so funny, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm getting like a little bit. I feel good. Maybe when I saw the ketones maybe it was this I'm like why do I feel so good right now? Speaking of microdoses, guys, we've had two and a half grams of THC as well. Well, thank God it's not anymore. That is so funny, that's actually hilarious. Anyway, all right, so we've got this elite shit in here. Yeah, we're high as hell. Oh, that is. I was thinking. I was like why is this podcast so good? But you're telling me just stuff like this drink, literally grade A.
Speaker 1:We just don't even realize we're taking, like you know, bpc, legitimate micro doses in here, is, you know, I think is like a really important way to counteract all of the stress and the high performance vibe of like life in general. I feel like so much demanded from us in 2025 the screens and everything else that like as a yin and a yang, like this is the yang to the well, this is the yin to the yang of you know, all the energy that's just got it, man, it's.
Speaker 2:Uh. Yeah, they're special. They've changed my life, seen them change a lot of people's life and I highly recommend people give these tools a shot. Like. You don't have anything to fucking lose. They're incredibly safe, like the data's on it. It's not, like you know, psychedelics been around for thousands of years. For a reason you know, peptides are naturally produced in your body. Like. It's pretty fucking safe.
Speaker 1:So liam, if people want to get support from you and they want to get your products, where can they go? What's? Where is everything? Yeah?
Speaker 2:so neurodose, we just ship in canada right now, unfortunately, I'm working on infrastructure in states. Neurodose is psilocybe that's the microdose, the one plsd, and then the psilocybin yeah, you got it and then the peptides. We do international shipping now, so we just open up that market. So you're in the states, you're in canada, you're overseas um, just follow along at peak human. And then the main thing is just my instagram page, liam donovan. Yeah, that's where I'm starting to post a little bit more. That's something I'm uh working on, my personal brand and you do health consulting as well, yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do free, free consults, free health consults. They're just like 15 to 20 minutes, but if people want to drop in, just pick my brain on really anything health related Usually it's like do with peptides or microdosing. I can help build them a protocol on what's best for them and their lifestyle, because each person again is a little bit different and I want to act as a bridgeway for people into these worlds. Man, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1:The Set the Standard podcast Thanks, brother, I appreciate you, appreciate you, my bro. Yes, sir.